CONTACTS 
0201 - Los Alamos National Laboratory       505 665 0134
020101 - Mr. Cliff Joslyn; 505 667 9096
020102 - joslyn@lanl.gov
020103 - Computer Research Group (CIC-3)
0203 - SRI International                    650 326 6200
020301 - Mr. Lee Iverson
020302 - leei@ai.sri.com
0204 - Eugene Eric Kim                      650 330 1381
020401 - Mr. Eugene Eric Kim
020402 - eekim@eekim.com

SUBJECTS
Propose Presentation to SRI Group by Cliff Joslyn
Presentation to SRI Group by Cliff Joslyn
Invite Cliff Joslyn to Speak at SRI on 000727
Cliff Joslyn Speak at SRI on 000727
OHS/DKR Meeting at SRI 000727
SRI Presentation Outline Cliff Requests Comments to Prepare for Meeti
SRI Presentation Planning on KM Theory and Work at LANL, Meeting at S

1009 -    ..
1010 - Summary/Objective
1011 -
101101 - Follow up ref SDS 37 0000, ref SDS 34 0000.
101102 -
101103 -
101104 -
101105 -
101106 -
1012 -
1013 -
1014 - Discussion
1015 -
101501 - Cliff Needs Input to Prepare for Presentation on 000727
101502 -
101503 - Received ref DRT 1 0001 from Cliff asking for input from the DKR team,
101504 - which would be from Eugene, for Cliff's presentation to SRI on 000727,
101505 - per my letter to Eugene, ref DIP 2 0001, on 000713. ref SDS 33 5475
101506 -
101507 - Yesterday I gave Cliff interim information on the size and makeup of
101508 - the group. ref SDS 37 0001
101509 -
101510 - Submitted ref DIT 1 0001 responding to Cliff with copies to Eugene,
101511 - Doug Engelbart, Jack Park and Eric Armstrong.  Provided link to the
101512 - record on 000713 listing preliminary ideas for Cliff's presentation.
101513 - ref SDS 33 0002 which was sent to Cliff via copy of the letter to
101514 - Eugene on 000713. ref SDS 33 5475
101515 -
101516 - Provided link to Eugene Kim's letter, ref DRP 2 0001, received on
101517 - 000714, where Eugene advises that Cliff would be invited. ref SDS 34
101518 - 0001
101519 -
101520 - Cited copy of DKR team's proposal to NASA received this morning.
101521 - ref SDS 38 0001
101522 -
101523 - Will call Cliff, if I do not hear from his to coordinate.
101524 -
101525 - Decided to send a copy to Lee Iverson, because he may be available,
101526 - more so that Eugene.
101527 -
101528 -
101529 -
101530 -  ..
1016 -
1017 -
1018 - 1100 called Lee Iverson
1019 -
101901 - Do not have a number for Eugene, so called and advised Lee about
101902 - Cliff's request for input on a presentation.
101903 -
101904 - Lee said he will call Cliff.  He had not yet received my letter with
101905 - background, and Cliff's phone numbers, so I gave him Cliff's phone
101906 - numbers.
101907 -
101908 - He advised that Eugene has a phone number on his website.
101909 -
101910 -
101911 -
101912 -
1020 -
1021 -
1022 - 1104 called Eugene
1023 -
102301 - Got's Eugene's number from his website:
102302 -
102303 -
102304 -                        eekim@eekim.com
102305 -
102306 -
102307 - Eugene said he got my letter this morning, transmitting Cliff's
102308 - letter.  He advised of having sent a letter to Cliff explaining that
102309 - his presentation will be on 00727.
102310 -
102311 - I noted that Cliff is asking about topics for his presentation, and,
102312 - also, mentioned having called Lee Iversion, per above. ref SDS 0 1428
102313 -
102314 - Eugene said Lee can explain topics the project team would like to
102315 - hear about.
102316 -
102317 -
102318 -
102319 -
1024 -
1025 -
1026 - 1117 received Eugene's letter
1027 -
102701 - Received ref DRT 2 0001 from Eugene which states...
102702 -
102703 -     We've been talking about you and your work at our meetings, and
102704 -     we'd love to have you come meet the group and chat with us when
102705 -     you're in town on July 27.  We meet from 4 to 6pm at the SRI E
102706 -     building in Menlo Park.  Let me know if you can make that meeting,
102707 -     and I'll send you more details.
102708 -
102709 - This does not address Cliff's question about a topic.
102710 -
102711 - Possibly Lee's call above will help.
102712 -
102713 -
102714 -
102715 -  ..
102716 - Cliff Submits Presentation Outline, Includes Semiotics
102717 -
102718 -
1028 -
1029 -
1030 - 1128 received letter from Cliff
1031 -
103101 - Received ref DRT 3 0001 from Cliff who is responding to my letter sent
103102 - this morning. ref DIT 1 0001  He saw the record on 000713 with
103103 - preliminary ideas on a presentation.
103104 - ..
103105 - Cliff says he is not a good source to discuss KM projects going
103106 - on around the world, which is the first proposed subject, listed on
103107 - 000713. ref SDS 33 0002  He tries to keep up, and would like to hear
103108 - about this from others. ref DRT 3 3763
103109 -
103110 -
103111 - Cliff proposes following subjects...
103112 -         ..
103113 -     1.  Vision of Distributed Knowledge Systems:,
103114 -         ref DRT 3 5040
103115 -
103116 -         a.  The role of semiotic concepts: sign systems, data and
103117 -             information, freedom and constraint, the role of
103118 -             interpretation and interpreters
103119 -
103120 -                On 000713 Cliff mentioned his expertise in semiotics,
103121 -                leading to inquiry. ref SDS 33 4078
103122 -
103123 -                  [On 000723 demonstrated SDS to Cliff. ref SDS 39 0784
103124 -
103125 -                  [On 000727 Cliff explained semiotics in remarks to
103126 -                  SRI. ref SDS 40 5151
103127 -
103128 -                On 000716 Joe Ransdell explains "sign" is another word
103129 -                for "symbol," and alludes to the process of giving
103130 -                external objective form to internal thoughts using
103131 -                signs arranged to convey relations, which allows
103132 -                structure of thought to be examined and enhanced by
103133 -                formal logic. ref SDS 35 7216
103134 -
103135 -                Sounds of speech, and symobls of the alphabet are both
103136 -                "signs" that give objective form to internal thoughts,
103137 -                which permits communication. The alphabet is relatively
103138 -                more permanent, and so provides a richer environment
103139 -                for testing communication, and the internal thoughts
103140 -                they represent and influence.
103141 -
103142 -         b.  Collective human (agent)-computer interaction
103143 -
103144 -         c.  Corpus structure and necessary technologies: network
103145 -             theory, adaptive systems, machine learning, natural
103146 -             language processing, anthropology
103147 -         ..
103148 -     2.  Current research efforts at LANL:,
103149 -         ref DRT 3 3834
103150 -
103151 -         a.  For managing scientific databases: digital libraries,
103152 -             bioinformatics, historical databases about complex
103153 -             technical systems.
103154 -
103155 -         b.  Technologies used: adaptive systems, complex systems,
103156 -             uncertainty management, etc.
103157 -
103158 -     3.  The Principia Cybernetica Project,
103159 -         ref DRT 3 0512
103160 -
103161 -         a.  Early system for distributed, collaborative development of
103162 -             cybernetic philosophy
103163 -
103164 -         b.  Self-application of cybernetic principles to their own
103165 -             development
103166 -
103167 -         c.  Early distributed hypertext, adaptive hypertext, and web
103168 -             development concepts
103169 -
103170 -     4.  Towards a robust hyper-environment for KM environments: here
103171 -         I'm at least as much asking questions as giving my own views.
103172 -         ref DRT 3 2436
103173 -
103174 -               [...today, SRI's pre-proposal to NASA centers on OHS and
103175 -               linking. ref SDS 38 4410
103176 -
103177 -         a.  Strong graph theoretical foundations, possibly linking to
103178 -             category theory
103179 -
103180 -         b.  Labeled graphs: typed links
103181 -
103182 -         c.  Strong semantic theory
103183 -
103184 -
103185 -
103186 -  ..
103187 - Recommend Cliff Distinguish KM from Information Management
103188 -
103189 - These are all very interesting and could be presented in multiple
103190 - events, if that is possible.
103191 -
103192 - For a single event, it might be helpful to focus on topic 1,
103193 - ref SDS 0 8240, and strive to incorporate some of topic 4, because
103194 - that seems closely related to the team's proposal to NASA for an OHS,
103195 - reviewed today in a separate record. ref SDS 38 4410
103196 -
103197 - This can include 2 - 5 minutes explaining topic 2 on LANL projects,
103198 - for orientation. ref SDS 0 2870
103199 - ..
103200 - Based on SRI's pre-proposal to NASA, received this morning,
103201 - ref SDS 38 4410, Cliff should distinguish between information and
103202 - knowledge management, based on a functional definition of "knowledge,"
103203 - as noted on 000713. ref SDS 33 3348   That is why he was invited to
103204 - make a presentation, shown on 000622. ref SDS 25 5795  Explain
103205 - limitations of data base and information management, and how KM will
103206 - cure these problems.  Some attention to the history of AI should be
103207 - given for orientation, for example, as related by Paul Fernhout on
103208 - 000405. ref SDS 10 5977
103209 -
103210 -
103211 -
103212 - The scope of KM should be addressed...
103213 -
103214 -    Is it for scienticsts, only for the laboratory?  Can it help
103215 -    computer programmers?  Does it help people read a book, dig a
103216 -    ditch, build a bridge, send a space craft to Mars and put it into
103217 -    orbit, rather than crash, as reported on 991001? ref SDS 5 0001
103218 -
103219 - How will KM improve present practice in knowledge work?
103220 -
103221 -
103222 -
103223 -
1033 -
1034 -
1035 - 1326 Cliff called
1036 -
103601 - He has talked to Lee Iverson and Eugene Kim, per above.
103602 -
103603 - We reviewed briefly comments above on focusing the presentation to
103604 - explain distinction between information and knowledge management,
103605 - ref SDS 0 3904, which was original purpose for asking him to speak,
103606 - per letter on 000622. ref SDS 25 5795
103607 -
103608 - Cliff has phone numbers for me.  He will be in touch when he rolls
103609 - into town on Thursday.  Maybe we will have dinner, unless I go to the
103610 - meeting at SRI on Thursday.  In that case, I will not get back until
103611 - after 2000, probably too late for dinner.
103612 -
103613 -
103614 -
103615 -  ..
103616 - Morris Invited to Attend Presentation; Notice SRI Pre-proposal
103617 -
103618 -
1037 -
1038 -
1039 - 1335 letter to Morris
1040 -
104001 - Submitted ref DIT 2 0001 to Morris linked to this record.
104002 -
104003 - Advised that Cliff will discuss semiotics which explains a form of
104004 - integration per telecon with Cliff on 000713, ref SDS 33 4078, that is
104005 - different from the integration that Morris mentioned on 000706, when
104006 - he cited a discussion with Steve Balmer at Microsoft. ref SDS 29 3740
104007 -
104008 - Mention conclusion from the record reviewing SRI's proposal to NASA,
104009 - received today in another record, ref SDS 38 4410, that KM is a
104010 - secret, per telecon with Morris on 000425. ref SDS 13 0480
104011 -
104012 - SRI's insistence on offering KM after acknowledging on 000615
104013 - concensus there is not enough known to produce it, shows a strong
104014 - belief that there is market demand for KM.
104015 -
104016 - Cited Larry Ellison's point about a compelling application, in his
104017 - appearance with Bill Gates at the Paris technology conference on
104018 - 970222. ref SDS 2 3967
104019 -
104020 - Cited Bill DeHart's explanation of SDS advantage as "organization,"
104021 - ref SDS 30 1029,
104022 -
104023 - Cited explanation of Knowledge Space on 960620. ref SDS 1 3516
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1041 -