THE WELCH COMPANY
440 Davis Court #1602
San Francisco, CA 94111-2496
415 781 5700


S U M M A R Y


DIARY: January 18, 2001 01:52 PM Thursday; Rod Welch

Shop for replacement CPU for C10 in Concord.

1...Summary/Objective

ACTION ITEMS.................. Click here to comment!

1...Not sure if Alex is quoting the v2.0??

CONTACTS 
0201 - Next Generation Computers            716 681 8612
020101 - Mr. Roman NLN
020102 - roman@nexgen.com
020103 - Sales Department name

SUBJECTS
Orignial Purchase Toshiba Tecra 8100, 000513
System Replacement
OS Crashing
Replace System

0706 -    ..
0707 - Summary/Objective
0708 -
070801 - Follow up ref SDS 11 0000, ref SDS 8 0000.
070802 -
070803 - Over the past few months, we have started having more system crashes
070804 - on c10 in Concord, similar to the record on c11 reported, for example,
070805 - that led to upgrading the motherboard on 000310. ref SDS 6 0897
070806 -
070807 - Medit is crashing w98, more and more frequently.
070808 -
070809 - We purchased c10 from Pctown on 980221 for $2,308. ref SDS 1 2044
070810 -
070811 -     [On 010202 c10 completely failed during configuration of the new
070812 -     system. ref SDS 18 UJ6F
070813 -
070814 - Pctown has since gone out of business.
070815 -
070816 -     [On 010122 requested quotations. ref SDS 16 0001
070817 -
070818 -
070819 - We purchased c12 from Nxgen on 000513. ref SDS 11 0001
070820 -
070821 - Nxgen website....
070822 -
070823 -
070824 -      http://www.nxgen.com/
070825 -
070826 -
070827 - ...did not show anything interesting.
070828 -
070829 - Called Nxgen - their number is on the web page....
070830 -
070831 -                      800-860-4411
070832 -
070833 - Talked to Alex.
070834 -
070835 - Alex wanted the name of the person who helped with our last order. Got
070836 - Ramon's name from the record on 000513. ref SDS 11 GX5L
070837 -
070838 - Alex said Nxgen can configure a system to our specification.
070839 -
070840 - We just need a CPU similar to c11 purchased on 981112. ref SDS 2 8976
070841 -
070842 -      Motherboard
070843 -
070844 -         Gave Alex the spec from the record on 000310. ref SDS 6 FR7G
070845 -
070846 -              SE440BX-2
070847 -
070848 -         On 000306 web shopping locations for Intel main boards.
070849 -         ref SDS 5 1400
070850 -
070851 -              http://www.intel.co.uk/design/motherbd/se2/se2_ds.htm
070852 -
070853 -         Other Intel boards are at....
070854 -
070855 -              http://www.intel.co.uk/design/motherbd/iii_mbd.htm
070856 -
070857 -         Micro Times 010106 page 8 shows a system with a....
070858 -
070859 -            D815EEAL
070860 -
070861 -         Micro Times 010106 page 30 shows a system with a....
070862 -
070863 -            Citycom    510 475 2680
070864 -            2849-B
070865 -            Union City   E Wipple Road, off of 880
070866 -
070867 -            D815EEAAL    $137
070868 -
070869 -                3D Graphics, Creative Sound Card, LAN
070870 -
070871 -            D815EEAA     $127
070872 -
070873 -                3D Graphics, Creative Sound Card
070874 -
070875 -                LEM Computers, vendor quotes      $155
070876 -
070877 -                  http://www.lemcomputers.com/d815eea.htm
070878 -  ..
070879 -            D850GB       $235
070880 -
070881 -                Pentium 4, 5 PCI 1 AGP
070882 -
070883 -                     The board requires a special chasis with 12 volt
070884 -                     and special insultation capabilities.
070885 -
070886 -                   Intel specification indicates this has a LAN and
070887 -                   Sound support
070888 -
070889 -                        This is actually a CNR slot on the mother board
070890 -                        that supplements PCI slots to support a
070891 -                        combination LAN, Sound and Modem.  So, far
070892 -                        there are no maufacturers that support all of
070893 -                        these.  Kingston supports either a LAN and
070894 -                        modem, or a LAN a sound.  Intel has a LAN card
070895 -                        for this slot.
070896 -
070897 -                     http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/d850gb/
070898 -
070899 -                     http://developer.intel.com/design/motherbd/gb/index.htm
070900 -
070901 -                  Lem Computers, vendor quotes $265
070902 -
070903 -                     http://www.lemcomputers.com/d850gb.htm
070904 -
070905 -                  Provantage, vendor quotes    $216.98
070906 -
070907 -                     800-336-1166
070908 -
070909 -                     http://www.provantage.com/scripts/go.dll/-s/ffcpuchp
070910 -
070911 -                      D850GB Sgl P4 423pin PGA Dual RDRAM CNR 5PCI
070912 -                      400MHz ATA/100 # BOXD850GB
070913 -
070914 -                  Provantage, vendor quotes  $2,116.98
070915 -
070916 -                      D850GB Sgl P4 423pin PGA Dual RDRAM CNR 5PCI
070917 -                      400MHz ATA/100 10Pk # KD850GBPAK10
070918 -  ..
070919 -                  Provantage, vendor quotes    $412.92
070920 -
070921 -                      850GB Kit w/InWin S508 Chassis Sgl P4 423pin PGA
070922 -                      RDRAM 400MHz # DP850GB
070923 -
070924 -              [On 010131 price dropped to $399. ref SDS 17 0001
070925 -
070926 - Authorized vendors of Intel Motherboards.....
070927 -
070928 -      http://apps.intel.com/scripts-ypage/ypage.asp?app_id=1203&ct=USA&ca=2013&x=26&y=25
070929 -
070930 -    [On 010121 sent letter to Provantage for quote on a box.
070931 -    ref SDS 16 0001
070932 -
070933 - Lem Computers shows cost and feature comparison at......
070934 -
070935 -             http://www.lemcomputers.com/prod02.htm
070936 -
070937 - Provantage quotations on Intel Motherboards....
070938 -
070939 -             http://www.provantage.com/scripts/go.dll/-s/ffcpuchp
070940 -
070941 -
070942 - Higher priced systems specify...
070943 -
070944 -                 ASUS CUSL2  $1.5+
070945 -
070946 -                 Tyan Tiger 133 S1834D  Dual system  $4K+
070947 -
070948 -                 ATX
070949 -
070950 -
070951 -         Alex is quoting...
070952 -
070953 -              Abit BE6-II
070954 -
070955 -           Research at....
070956 -
070957 -
070958 -              http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/BE6-II_v2_1.html
070959 -  ..
070960 -           Discusses a BE6-II v2.0
070961 -
070962 -           Not sure if Alex is quoting the v2.0??
070963 -
070964 -           Picture does not show ISA slots???
070965 -
070966 -         Micro Times 010106 page 30 shows a system with a....
070967 -
070968 -              Abit SE6         $145
070969 -
070970 -                 Intel 815E, 4x AGP, 133 FSB ATA 100
070971 -
070972 -              Abit SL6         $129
070973 -
070974 -                 Intel 815E, 4x AGP, 133 FSB ATA 66
070975 -
070976 -              Abit SA6R        $154
070977 -
070978 -                 Intel 815E, Audio/Video Built in, ATA 100 RAID
070979 -
070980 -
070981 -      Processor
070982 -
070983 -         Alex is quoting 700 Mhz.
070984 -
070985 -         On 000919 purchased from Provantage an 850 Mhz processor for
070986 -         $390. ref SDS 14 KA4M
070987 -
070988 -         Provantage quotes 700 Mhz for $190.
070989 -
070990 -         Cost of 850 Mhz is now $271.
070991 -
070992 -             Looks like an issue is whether it is a slot design or a
070993 -             flat chip design.
070994 -
070995 -         Intel P4 1.4Ghz
070996 -
070997 -             Pentium P4 1.4 GHz 400MHz FSB 2 64M 800 MHz
070998 -             Non-ECC RDRAM # BX80528JK140GR
070999 -
071000 -                                   $769.98
071001 -
071002 -              [On 010131 price dropped to $640. ref SDS 17 0001
071003 -
071004 -
071005 -
071006 -
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SUBJECTS
Memory

0804 -
080401 -  ..
080402 -      RAM 256M
080403 -
080404 -            P4 Processor comes with 128 MB
080405 -
080406 -            Therefore, to get 255K RAM, we need another a 128 MB
080407 -            memory clip.
080408 -
080409 -            Viking
080410 -
080411 -            Dimension XPS B Series 800MHz ECC 128MB
080412 -            RDRAM RIMM # DL0901 VIKD47X
080413 -
080414 -                         $309.45
080415 -
080416 -            Further research seems to indicate this is only for
080417 -            a Dell computer.
080418 -
080419 -          [On 010131 got another price. ref SDS 17 I28I
080420 -
080421 -          [On 010404 price dropped to $190.70. ref SDS 19 F14M
080422 -
080423 -          [On 010423 price dropped to $129. ref SDS 20 JY7L
080424 -
080425 -      Hard Drive 30 GB
080426 -
080427 -
080428 -      Sound
080429 -
080430 -      Video 32 MB
080431 -
080432 -      SCSI card
080433 -
080434 - Nxgen does not carry Intel boards.  He will get a price on the Intel
080435 - board, and call back with a quote.
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Distribution. . . . See "CONTACTS"