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DIARY: August 18, 1999 02:36 PM Wednesday; Rod Welch

Call from Microsoft on file attribute copying from RW CD drive.

1...Summary/Objective
2...W98 Set Attribute on Files Transferred to CD as Read Only
3...CD ROM Drive Requires Cleaning
4...DOS Command Changes Attributes in Subdirectories
5...Sony RW CD ROM Drive Failing on CPU11
6...ABCD Program on CPU11 Performing Different with Xcopy
7...Fonts for DOS Applications, SDS
8...Error Messages in W98 Explanations


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CONTACTS 

SUBJECTS
Attribute Set to Read Only Transfer SI to CD, 990816
CD ROM RW, Sony
W98, File Management
My Computer, Explorer, DOS
Drag and Drop, Xcopy
Attribute Set Read on Transfer to CD
ABCD CD ROM Disk Formatting Program
ABCD CD Disks Not Ejecting, Losing Data
SDS Program Code Had Read Only Attribute When Copied from CD and So C

1611 -    ..
1612 - Summary/Objective
1613 -
161301 - Follow up ref SDS 34 9077, ref SDS 33 0899.
161302 -
161303 - Found a DOS procedure for resetting attributes for files in
161304 - subdirectories, but it does not seem to work on the subdirectories
161305 - themselves, which is needed for the Subject, as explained below.
161306 - ref SDS 0 8977
161307 -
161308 - Adaptec has a program that avoids the attribute problem, but it uses a
161309 - special file protocol that has to be set each time and so does not
161310 - seem like a good solution.
161311 -
161312 -
161313 -
161314 -
161315 -  ..
1614 -
1615 -
1616 - Progress
1617 -
161701 - W98 Set Attribute on Files Transferred to CD as Read Only
161702 -
161703 - Follow up ref SDS 34 9077, ref SDS 33 0899.
161704 -
161705 - Talked to James Welborn
161706 -
161707 -        ...his direct phone number is...  520 388 0509
161708 -
161709 - Task Number:  SIX990818601372
161710 -
161711 - James said W98 does not support drag and drop to change the file
161712 - attribute from read only, for CD ROM drives.
161713 -
161714 - He said xcopy without switches can do this.
161715 -
161716 -  ..
161717 - James said we can log onto...
161718 -
161719 -              http://www.microsoft.com/support
161720 -
161721 - There is an option at this site to submit program improvement
161722 - suggestions.
161723 -
161724 - James suggested logging onto news servers or news groups and look for
161725 - a "reghack" that change a setting in the W98 registry to permit drag
161726 - and drop to reset the file attribute when copying from a RW CD ROM
161727 - drive.
161728 -
161729 - Another way to look for a solution is to try a simple search engine
161730 - using the string...
161731 -
161732 -                    drag and drop change file attribute
161733 -
161734 -    ...should try to keep the string as short as possible.
161735 -
161736 -
161737 -
161738 -  ..
1618 -
1619 -
1620 - 2203
1621 -
162101 - Did search in Yahoo for...
162102 -
162103 -                        RW CD file attribute
162104 -
162105 - Got a hit on the following web site...
162106 -
162107 -   http://websvr1.adaptec.com/support/advisor/discwizard/readonly.html
162108 -
162109 - This Adaptec site seems to describe our objective...
162110 -
162111 -       The file system extensions used to read back ISO 9660 and Joliet
162112 -       discs in Windows assume that CDs are a read-only medium, and
162113 -       therefore set the read-only attribute for files on CD. If you
162114 -       copy files from CD back to hard disk, this attribute will be
162115 -       maintained until you change it using Windows Explorer, etc.
162116 -
162117 -  ..
162118 - Solution
162119 -
162120 -       Use DiectCD which uses a different file system (UDF) which
162121 -       permits the original file attributes to be maintained, or change
162122 -       the file attributes after you have copied the files back to hard
162123 -       disk.
162124 -
162125 -       DirectCD is another program that works like W98 drag and drop.
162126 -       It is at the following site...
162127 -
162128 -       http://websvr1.adaptec.com/products/overview/directcd.html
162129 -
162130 -        ..
162131 -       You know how easy it is to save files to your hard disk or
162132 -       floppy disk. Now, Adaptec introduces DirectCD, the software that
162133 -       makes your CD recorder as easy to use as a disk drive. You can
162134 -       drag and drop files, rename files, delete files, and create new
162135 -       directories right on your CD-R disc. You can even save files
162136 -       directly from your word processing software, spreadsheet, or
162137 -       other application directly to CD-R.
162138 -
162139 -  ..
162140 - So, this appears to be a program like ABCD, but with drag and drop
162141 - capability.  This does not say that drag and drop is done with W98
162142 - tools, so it may entail using DirectCD.  Does this work on a CD drive
162143 - that does not support RW?
162144 -
162145 - Looking deeper this uses a UDF format, which requires special set up
162146 - on any system that is going to read the CD.  Adaptec says the system
162147 - is mainly useful for backups, rather than transferring files to other
162148 - computers.  Even the backup procedure is not very efficient.
162149 -
162150 -
162151 -  ..
162152 - CD ROM Drive Requires Cleaning
162153 -
162154 - There is a notice at this site that CD drives need to be cleaned
162155 - periodically.
162156 -
162157 - There is a particular cleaning CD, similar to the cleaning tape for a
162158 - backup tape drive, that can be used.
162159 -
162160 -
162161 -
162162 -  ..
162163 - DOS Command Changes Attributes in Subdirectories
162164 -
162165 - Follow up ref SDS 33 0899, ref SDS 32 3952.
162166 -
162167 - In the Adaptec web site there is an explanation of how to reset the
162168 - read only attribute on all files in the current directory and any
162169 - subdirectories.
162170 -
162171 -  ..
162172 - This can save the 3 hours it took on 990816. ref SDS 32 3952
162173 -
162174 -      If you're using a PC, why not use the DOS ATTRIB command, it's
162175 -      FREE. Displays or changes file attributes.
162176 -
162177 -      ATTRIB [+R | -R] [+A | -A] [+S | -S] [+H | -H]
162178 -      [[drive:][path]filename] [/S]
162179 -
162180 -      + Sets an attribute.
162181 -      - Clears an attribute.
162182 -      R Read-only file attribute.
162183 -      A Archive file attribute.
162184 -      S System file attribute.
162185 -      H Hidden file attribute.
162186 -      /S Processes files in all directories in the
162187 -      specified path.
162188 -
162189 -       ..
162190 -      For example:
162191 -
162192 -            C>ATTRIB -R *.* /S
162193 -
162194 -      ...will clear the read-only attribute for every file in the
162195 -      current directory and all sub directories.
162196 -
162197 - I tested this on Kathleen's computer, and it seems to work, but only
162198 - for files.
162199 -
162200 - The read only attribute stays on subdirectories.
162201 -
162202 - There does not seem to be a switch for eliminating attribute on
162203 - directories.
162204 - ..
162205 - This is not a good solution.
162206 - ..
162207 - May be better to use xcopy to transfer rather than drag and
162208 - drop.
162209 -
162210 -
162211 -  ..
162212 - Sony RW CD ROM Drive Failing on CPU11
162213 - ABCD Program on CPU11 Performing Different with Xcopy
162214 -
162215 - There seems to be a difference between how files transferred with
162216 - xcopy are handled on another computer, and how W98 drag and drop
162217 - feature works.
162218 -
162219 - Today, I tried several times to test the xcopy feature to transfer
162220 - files to a CD formatted with ABCD.  These files are not being seen
162221 - when read by another drive on another computer.
162222 -
162223 - The data seems to be lost.
162224 -
162225 - There is even a problem with the RW CD drive.  The eject button does
162226 - not work when a CD formatted by ABCD is in the port.  I have to open
162227 - ABCD and click on eject.  This specifically occurred after using
162228 - xcopy.
162229 -
162230 -  ..
162231 - Kind of looks like we cannot read files transferred by xcopy.
162232 -
162233 - Actually, this is not the case.  We are just losing the J: drive
162234 - under ABCD.  Drag and drop files are being lost also.
162235 -
162236 - This could reflect defective media, in that possibly RW CDs can only
162237 - be formatted so many times.  Or, the RW CD drive may be failing.
162238 -
162239 - Possibly the drive just needs to be cleaned, per research above....
162240 - ref SDS 0 3720
162241 -
162242 - Will try formatting another CD.
162243 -
162244 -     [On 990821 called for hardware support. ref SDS 36 0001]
162245 -
162246 -  ..
162247 - A different CD worked better.
162248 -
162249 -     [On 990821 drive failed again. ref SDS 36 4814]
162250 -
162251 -     [On 990823 further problems, contacted Sony. ref SDS 37 2300]
162252 -
162253 -     [On 990824 returned drive to Sony for review. ref SDS 37 3197]
162254 -
162255 -     [On 990922 Sony cannot find problem with drive. ref SDS 38 0001]
162256 -
162257 -
162258 -
162259 -
162260 -
1623 -

SUBJECTS
DOS Fonts for SDS
Font for SDS in DOS, 990818
SDS Interface

1906 -
190601 -  ..
190602 - Fonts for DOS Applications, SDS
190603 -
190604 - I asked James if the Microsoft font library for W98 has anthother
190605 - source of fonts for DOS applications?
190606 -
190607 - We would like to be able to increase the size and change the relative
190608 - dimensions of the SDS window which is controlled by fonts.  Only the
190609 - bitmap fonts seem to look really good.
190610 -
190611 - James thinks there may be some third party fonts avilable, and
190612 - suggested doing a search for...
190613 -
190614 -                         DOS fonts
190615 -
190616 - Did this but did not find anything useful.
190617 - ..
190618 - May try again.
190619 -
190620 -
190621 -
190622 -
190623 -
1907 -

SUBJECTS
Error Messages Explanation

2004 -
200401 -  ..
200402 - Error Messages in W98 Explanations
200403 -
200404 - James advised that a good place on the web to get explanations and
200405 - solutions for W98 error messages is at...
200406 -
200407 -              http://www.dogpile.com
200408 -
200409 -
200410 -
200411 -
200412 -
200413 -