THE WELCH COMPANY
440 Davis Court #1602
San Francisco, CA 94111-2496
415 781 5700
rodwelch@pacbell.net
S U M M A R Y
DIARY: June 11, 2008 08:27 AM Wednesday;
Rod Welch
Dell quote Intel 64-bit computer with Vista won't run SDS.
1...Summary/Objective
2...SDS 16-bit Application Need Transition to Intel 64-bit Processor
3...Line of Business Knowledge Management SDS Vista 64-bit Won't Run
4...Microsoft Can't Support Customer Legacy Line of Business Requirements
5...Dell Quad-core 64-bit Computer Cannot Run SDS 16-bit Microsoft Vista
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SUBJECTS
Personal Computer PC Intel 64-bit Mcroprocessor Microsoft Vista Ope
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1303 - ..
1304 - Summary/Objective
1305 -
130501 - Follow up ref SDS 1 HF9J.
130502 -
130503 -
130504 -
130505 -
130506 -
130508 - ..
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1307 -
1308 - Progress
1309 -
130901 - Called Dell yesterday, and and got a quote dated 080610 received
130902 - today for a new computer.
130904 - ..
130905 - Received ref DRT 1 0001 dated 080610 from Robert saying...
130906 -
130907 -
130908 - 1. Subject: Your Dell Quote(s): 434216747
130909 - Date: 10 Jun 2008 19:00:43 -0500
130916 - ..
130917 - 3. Your Dell Quote
130919 - ..
130920 - 4. Thank you for your interest in Dell. This message contains all
130921 - of the information regarding your products and/or services.
130922 - Please verify that this quote is accurate and contact your
130923 - sales professional if you would like to place this order. If
130924 - you have any further questions regarding our products or
130925 - services, please visit www.dell.com.
130927 - ..
130928 - 5. Thanks again for choosing Dell.
130930 - ..
130931 - 6. Robert's Notes
130933 - ..
130934 - 7. This is just the hardware. We will still need to speak about
130935 - warranty and software needs.
130937 - ..
130938 - 8. Quote Information
130940 - ..
130981 - ..
130982 - 21. Item Number Qnty Item Description
130983 - 223-5256 1 Inspiron 530 Intel Core2 processor Q6600 (2.40Ghz
130984 - 1066FSB) w/Quad Core Technology and 8MB cache
130986 - ..
130987 - 22. 311-7245 1 4GB DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz
130988 - 310-9611 1 Dell USB Keyboard
130989 - 310-7966 1 Dell Optical USB Mouse
130990 - 320-6091 1 24IN(24in viewable) E248WFP Flat Panel Display
130991 - 320-5878 1 Integrated Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3100
130992 - 341-4811 1 500GB Serial ATA II Hard Drive(7200RPM)
130993 - 341-5008 1 No Floppy Drive Requested
130994 - 313-5582 1 Dell Resource DVD with Application Backup
130995 - 420-5769 1 Internet Search and Portal
130996 - 420-5924 1 Icon Consolidation Application
130997 - 420-6436 1 Vista, PC-Restore, Dim/Insp
130998 - 420-8507 1 Microsoft Windows Vista SP1 Home Premium Edition, English
130999 - 420-7622 1 DELL SUPPORT CENTER 2.0
131000 - 463-2282 1 Dell Owners Manual installed on your system,click
131001 - on icon after system set-up to access
131002 - 310-1966 1 Mouse included with Keyboard purchase
131003 - 430-0412 1 Integrated NIC card
131004 - 313-3137 1 No modem requested for Dell Dimension
131005 - 420-7468 1 ADOBE ACROBAT READER 8.1 DIM/INSP
131006 - 313-5270 1 16X DVD+/-RW Drive
131007 - 420-8152 1 Roxio Creator 10 Dell Edition
131008 - 313-2758 1 Integrated Audio
131009 - 313-2198 1 No Speaker Requested
131010 - 410-1160 1 McAfee Security 9.0, 30-day Subscription, for
131011 - Dell Inspiron / Dimension
131012 - 420-8085 1 Microsoft Works 9.0, English
131013 - 987-3137 1 Dell Hardware Warranty PlusOnsite Service, Initial Year
131014 - 982-4310 1 Type 3- Third Party At Home Service, 24x7
131015 - Technical Support, Initial Year
131016 - 987-6238 1 No Warranty, Year 2 and 3
131017 - 960-3249 1 Banctec Service Agreement
131018 - 983-3680 1 Warranty Support,Initial Year
131019 - 990-8029 1 1 Year Limited Warranty and Next Business Day,Desktop
131020 - 330-0172 1 S and P Drop-in-Box Marcom forDHS Desktops
131021 - 310-8626 1 You have chosen a Windows Vista Premium System
131022 - 464-9572 1 No Entertainment software pre-installed
131023 - 420-7091 1 DataSafe Online Dim/Ins/XPS
131024 - 420-7092 1 DataSafe Online Dim/Ins/XPS 1YR-FREE
131025 - 987-4817 1 Insp Datasafe 3GB,1YR(Incl in price),DHS
131026 - 988-0099 1 To activate your online backupaccount, go
131027 - to Start, Programs, DataSafe Online
131028 -
131029 - * -DISCOUNT/COUPON APPLIED
131031 - ..
131032 - 23. 600-0002 1 State Environmental Fee for display 15 inches,
131033 - less than 35 inches
131035 - ..
131036 - 24. Subtotal: .................................................... $1,119.00
131037 - Shipping & Handling:.............................................. $0.00
131038 - Tax:............................................................. $92.32
131039 - Environmental Disposal Fee: ...................................... $8.00
131040 - Total Price w/Discounts: ..................................... $1,219.32
131042 - ..
131043 - 25. Important Things to Know:
131044 -
131045 - 1. Please save this Quote Confirmation. To ensure that
131046 - your quote is complete and accurate, please verify the
131047 - configuration meets your needs.
131048 -
131049 - 2. Looking for the perfect gift? Get information about
131050 - Dell Gift Cards at Dell.Com/GiftCard. Purchase a card
131051 - online or in a retail store near you.
131053 - ..
131054 - 3. The above information on configuration, price, tax,
131055 - shipping and monthly payment is estimated and subject
131056 - to verification. Products displayed are available to
131057 - US customers who take delivery in the 50 United States.
131058 - In addition, applicable taxes and shipping & handling
131059 - charges are subject to Dell's terms and conditions of
131060 - sale located at www.dell.com/terms unless you have a
131061 - separate written agreement. Exceptions to Dell
131062 - policies are at Dell's sole discretion and additional
131063 - fees may apply.
131065 - ..
131066 - 26. The amount of tax and shipping added to your order depends on
131067 - where you have asked for the product to be shipped as well as
131068 - on which products and/or services you've chosen to purchase.
131070 - ..
131071 - 27. 2008 Dell Inc. U.S. only. Dell Inc. is located at One Dell Way, Mail Stop 8129,
131072 - Round Rock, TX 78682.
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SUBJECTS
SDS 16-bit Intel 64-bit Microprocessor Mcrosoft Vista Operating Sys
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270502 - SDS 16-bit Application Need Transition to Intel 64-bit Processor
270503 -
270504 - Submitted, ref DIT 1 0001 a letter to Dell with copy to Gary and to
270505 - Morris, ref DIT 1 00W4, and saying...
270506 -
270507 - 1. Thanks for the quote on a Dell computer. ref SDS 0 1S6Y
270509 - ..
270510 - 2. Were you able to find the DOS emulator that worked on your
270511 - personal home computer running Vista 64-bit OS?
270513 - ..
270514 - This question reflects discussing yesterday in requesting an order for
270515 - a computer to meet requirements running line-of-business (LOB) 16-bit
270516 - software SDS on Intel quad-core 64-bit computer running Microsoft
270517 - Vista.
270519 - ..
270520 - We tried running Vista on Morris' computer a few weeks ago on 080531
270521 - and got an error message. ref SDS 1 HF9J
270523 - ..
270524 - Robert said he has an emulator program on his personal home computer
270525 - that will run 16-bit applications on his quad core 64 bit computer
270526 - running Microsoft Vista.
270527 -
270528 - [...Robert reports below that this didn't work. ref SDS 0
270529 - K54K
270531 - ..
270532 - [...follow up letter asks Robert to inquire at sales
270533 - meetings how to increase sales by meeting customer
270534 - requirements for legacy line of business software.
270535 - ref SDS 0 NS4I
270537 - ..
270538 - [On 080623 letter to Dell asks about progress solving the
270539 - problem of legacy line of business 16-bit software.
270540 - ref SDS 2 CQ3L
270542 - ..
270543 - Letter to Dell continues...
270544 -
270545 - 3. Also, recall you indicated that Dell cannot configure the
270546 - computer to meet customer requirements with the operating
270547 - system on the I: drive, as Dell did on our current computer.
270548 - Your initial research indicated Dell wants customers to
270549 - customize the computer. Can you double check to see if there
270550 - is an add to the quote for configuring the computer?
270552 - ..
270553 - 4. Does Dell provide a CD for the customer to format the drive,
270554 - and install the OS? You related experience reinstalling Vista
270555 - every 2 or 8 months to ensure efficient operation. Do you use
270556 - a CD? Any lessons learned you can mention from your experience
270557 - that might be tricky doing OS installation?
270559 - ..
270560 - 5. Here is a link that explains Knowledge Management implemented
270561 - by SDS, which shows why we need a DOS emulator for 64-bit Vista
270562 - to continue the march on SDS. ref OF 13 A56M
270564 - ..
270565 - 6. Thanks for your support on this order.
270567 - ..
270568 - 7. I am sending a colleague collaborating on the SDS upgrade
270569 - project a blind copy to consider upgrading his hardware so all
270570 - three of us have the same stuff. ref DIT 1 00W4
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SUBJECTS
SDS 16-bit Intel 64-bit Microprocessor Microsoft Vista Operating Sys
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450501 - ..
450502 - Line of Business Knowledge Management SDS Vista 64-bit Won't Run
450503 - Microsoft Can't Support Customer Legacy Line of Business Requirements
450504 - Dell Quad-core 64-bit Computer Cannot Run SDS 16-bit Microsoft Vista
450505 -
450506 - Received ref DRT 1 0001 from Robert responding to the letter earlier
450507 - this morning, per above. ref SDS 0 6W6M
450508 -
450509 - 1. While I was looking on my computer last night for a emulator I
450510 - did some reading on the subject. From what I discovered
450511 - (disclaimer: I am not a tech support expert) there is no
450512 - "stable" 16 bit emulator for Windows Vista 64-bit, but there is
450513 - for the 32-bit.
450515 - ..
450516 - Dell cannot support customer requirements for legacy line-of-business
450517 - 16-bit applications using SDS for Knowledge Management, intelligence
450518 - support, and Communication Metrics.
450520 - ..
450521 - This aligns with experience testing SDS on Morris' Intel 64-bit
450522 - quad-core Vista computer on 080531, and found it would not run.
450523 - ref SDS 1 HF9J At that time, Morris explained a mistake at Intel
450524 - prevented transitioning from legacy line-of-business software.
450525 - ref SDS 1 TH51
450526 -
450527 - [...follow up letter asks Robert to inquire at sales
450528 - meetings how to increase sales by meeting customer
450529 - requirements for legacy line of business software.
450530 - ref SDS 0 NS4I
450532 - ..
450533 - [On 080623 letter to Dell asks about progress solving the
450534 - problem of legacy line of business 16-bit software.
450535 - ref SDS 2 CQ3L
450537 - ..
450538 - [On 080629 Dell reports selling Microsoft Vista 32-bit
450539 - operating system for the quad-core 64-bit Intel computers,
450540 - and feels this may solve problem of supporting legacy line
450541 - of business 16-bit software like SDS. ref SDS 3 I44F
450543 - ..
450544 - [On 080630 Rob discloses that Dell cannot run a test to
450545 - verify that 16-bit software will run on a Dell 64-bit
450546 - computer running a 32-bit version of the Microsoft Vista
450547 - operating system. ref SDS 4 RU3H
450549 - ..
450550 - Dell letter continues...
450551 -
450552 - 2. Sorry I couldn't be of more help Rod. Thank you very much for
450553 - the link, it looks quite interesting.
450555 - ..
450556 - 3. How am I doing? Please let my manager know by emailing Joseph
450557 - Salomon, at joseph_salomon@dell.com
450559 - ..
450560 - Rob has done an excellent job researching Dell products and
450561 - capabilities, and has been timely to aid procurement.
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4509 -
450901 - Submitted ref DIT 2 0001 to Robert saying...
450902 -
450903 - 1. Thanks for investigating this DOS emulator thing. Your letter
450904 - seems to indicate you could not find an emulator program on
450905 - your 64-bit Vista computer at home, as we discussed yesterday.
450906 -
450907 - [On 080623 letter to Dell asks about progress solving the
450908 - problem of legacy line of business 16-bit software.
450909 - ref SDS 2 CQ3L
450911 - ..
450912 - 2. If time permits, you might bring this up at a sales meeting to
450913 - see if anyone knows of an approach to meet customer
450914 - requirements.
450915 -
450916 - [On 080629 Dell reports selling Microsoft Vista 32-bit
450917 - operating system for the quad-core 64-bit Intel computers,
450918 - and feels this may solve problem of supporting legacy line
450919 - of business 16-bit software like SDS. ref SDS 3 I44F
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