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1...Do we need any changes to the way "encyclopaedia" is presented
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Encyclopedia Metaphor Precision Access Oranizational Memory Find Inf
Encyclopedia Personal Organizational Experience Builds DKR Knowledge
Commends Henry Plans for Wikipedia to Help Explain Goals for Fleabyt
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1406 - Summary/Objective
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140701 - Follow up ref SDS 8 0000, ref SDS 6 0000.
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140703 - Henry van Eykan has developed ideas for civic journalism to expand the
140704 - model of an encyclopaedia by enabling action, in addition to research.
140705 - ref SDS 0 6O7T Gary submitted a letter commending Henry's goal for
140706 - technology to extend the traditional role of encyclopaedia.
140707 - ref SDS 0 IW3F Submitted a letter to Gary concurring with his
140708 - analysis based on background using encylopaedia as a metaphor for
140709 - organized knowledge enabled by SDS, ref SDS 0 N15I, and asking Gary if
140710 - changes are needed to foundational documents that present this
140711 - concept. ref SDS 0 6M5X Also asked about progress with other pending
140712 - action items. ref SDS 0 6M6X
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1410 - Progress
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141101 - Submitted ref DIT 1 0001 to Gary responding to his letter yesterday
141102 - transmitting a copy of a letter from Henry on the role of an
141103 - encyclopaedia in relation to Goals for civic journalism.
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141105 - 1. I concur with your letter on 050227, shown below, ref SDS 0
141106 - IW3F, reviewing Henry's discussion on "encyclopaedia" in a
141107 - letter on the same date, also shown below. ref SDS 0 IW74
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141110 - 2. Encyclopaedia was discussed recently in the record on 050115,
141111 - ref SDS 5 ZT7T, using a simple, familiar term that helps people
141112 - bridge the 2 worlds from information to a culture of knowledge.
141113 - Henry cited this requirement a few days later on 050119.
141114 - ref SDS 6 ZD5O, when he asked about "Communication Metrics."
141115 - Your research on 040508 showed how language drives culture,
141116 - ref SDS 2 568F, which is our current effort on transformation.
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141119 - 3. Do we need any changes to the way "encyclopaedia" is presented
141120 - in POIMS, as a metaphor for organizational memory, ref OF 6
141121 - 4662, for explaining the scope of intelligence support, as
141122 - shown in NWO? ref OF 12 18UQ
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141125 - 4. Any progress on peer review discussed in the letter on 050221.
141126 - ref SDS 7 WJ7I
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141129 - Gary has not commented yet on action items reported on 041206.
141130 - ref SDS 3 NU92 On 041210 Gary reported limitations on accomplishing
141131 - marketing tasks. ref SDS 4 393M
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141133 - [On 050307 Gary has been busy with meetings; hopes for time
141134 - soon to address pending SDS issues. ref SDS 10 4136
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141139 - Commend Henry's Plans for Wikipedia Explaination of Encyclopaedia
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141141 - Gary's letter commenting on Henry's review of encyclopaedia for a
141142 - knowledge platform....
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141145 - 1. February 27, 2005
141146 - "Garold L. Johnson" wrote:
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141149 - 2. Rod,
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141152 - 3. In this post, Henry makes some of the points, ref SDS 0 6O3Y,
141153 - that I was trying to make in one of our discsuuions about an
141154 - encyclopedia being a collection of information, while an SDS
141155 - Knowledge Space is something beyond that.
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141158 - Encyclopedia background on scope and application are reported in the
141159 - record on
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141162 - Gary's letter continues...
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141164 - 4. Henry's point is that Fleabyte, and Engelbart's work add
141165 - developing and achieving an objective to just a collection of
141166 - facts, and we certainly assume that the user(s) of SDS are goal
141167 - driven.
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141170 - 5. actually he recognizes the value of blending different areas of
141171 - expertise by having them work co-operatively and do so as to
141172 - approach CoDIAK (Concurrent Development, Application and
141173 - Integration of Knowledge). In this, he takes his DKR a step
141174 - further than being an encyclopedia: he adds an orientaion
141175 - toward developing and achieving an objective. In contrast, an
141176 - encyclopedia is "objective-neutral."
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141179 - 6. Henry did good work here.
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141182 - 7. Thanks,
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141185 - 8. Gary
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150602 - Wikipedia Reviewed for Applying Encyclopaedia Support with Fleabyte
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150604 - Henry's letter transmitted by Gary and commenting on and using
150605 - wikipedia, which is a new term in the record for encyclopaedia....
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150607 - 1. Subject: Aarticle: FUD-based encyclopedia
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150610 - 2. Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:08:47 -0500
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150613 - 3. From: Henry K van Eyken
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150616 - 4. Reply-To: yak@collab.blueoxen.net
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150619 - 5. To: yak@collab.blueoxen.net
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150622 - 6. References:
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150625 - 7. Jonathan.
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150628 - 8. Just reflecting on Krowne's "The FUD-Based Encyclopedia,
150629 - notably the authority model vs the free-form mmodel of CBPP
150630 - (Commons-Based Peer Production). I read the article with
150631 - Fleabyte in mind (ref. Fleabyte: A Medium for Global Civics)
150632 - and which is a form of DKR in the sense Doug Engelbart presents
150633 - it.
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150636 - 9. Reflection 1. An important advantage of Wikipedia over printed
150637 - encyclopedias is that it can more readily be updated.
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150640 - 10. Reflection 2. With Wikipedia why Fleabyte?
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150643 - 11. Reflection 3. Wikipedia would improve with including "purple
150644 - numbers."
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150647 - 12. Reflection 4. People are living CBPPs.
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150650 - 13. Let me expand a little on Point 4. Our minds continually pick
150651 - up entries from our environments and, hence, are living
150652 - community-based productions (leaving out the word "peer" for a
150653 - moment). And both models apply: authority model and free-form
150654 - model. Upbringing, religious instruction, schools, academic
150655 - and professional disciplines - these largely follow the
150656 - authority model from imprinting on our minds. Chats and media,
150657 - dreams, creating or inventing - these largely follow the
150658 - free-flow model. And come to think of it, we live in a society
150659 - where the authority model is dominant in our youth and is
150660 - increasingly encroached upon by the free-form model.
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Encyclopaedia Objective Neutral DKR Achievement Orientation Improves
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190502 - Fleabyte Improve Encyclopaedia Implement Engelbart's Goals for DKR
190503 - Engelbart DKR Goals Achievement Orientation Improves Encyclopaedia
190504 - Objective Neutral Encyclopaedia Improved by Achievement Orientation
190505 - Knowledge Space DKR Action Orientation Expands Encyclopaedia Model
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190508 - 14. This brings me to Doug's DKRs. Doug has been addressing himself
190509 - mostly to DKRs used by organizations (the DKR as an
190510 - organization's nervous system). In so doing he recognizes the
190511 - value of expertise; actually he recognizes the value of
190512 - blending different areas of expertise by having them work
190513 - co-operatively and do so as to approach CoDIAK (Concurrent
190514 - Development, Application and Integration of Knowledge). In
190515 - this, he takes his DKR a step further than being an
190516 - encyclopedia: he adds an orientaion toward developing and
190517 - achieving an objective. In contrast, an encyclopedia is
190518 - "objective-neutral."
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190521 - Objective-neutral summarizes common use of encyclopedia, based on
190522 - experience doing school assignments, cited in POIMS. ref OF 6 4662
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190525 - Doug's DKR goals taking a step beyond "objective-neutral" to in fact
190526 - developing and achieving objectives can be aided by examples to
190527 - illustrate how a DKR relates to CODIAK with experts working
190528 - cooperatively. Does the five (5) year record of communication among
190529 - the OHS/DKR people, including Eugene Kim's collaboration web site
190530 - represent goals for a DKR as explained by Henry?
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190533 - Henry continues...
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190535 - 15. Now going back to Fleabyte. Its DKR (if we can get this thing
190536 - off the ground!) is one for society at large, something we
190537 - hardly refer to as an organization (although, come to think of
190538 - it, may well be regarded as an organization for those who like
190539 - kibitzing). And it is a DKR that also seeks CoDIAK as the
190540 - (unattainable) ideal. So, I have happily concluded that
190541 - Fleabyte is more than an encyclopedia; it is objective
190542 - oriented. This takes care of reflection 2.
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190545 - 16. Interestingly, both Doug and I talk of DKRs becoming a handbook
190546 - or an encyclopedia. Thus what we perceive then is an
190547 - encyclopedia with cultivated CoDIAK continually upgrading the
190548 - encyclopedia toward more and more becoming effective in
190549 - attaining an objective or set of objectives.
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190552 - What would Fleabyte do differently to move beyond current practice to
190553 - achieve a DKR where experts work cooperatively to develop and achieve
190554 - objectives? This question was proposed to Henry as a Fleabyte project
190555 - for updating Doug's 1992 paper, in a letter to Henry and the circle of
190556 - advocates on 050223. ref SDS 9 Y65W
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190559 - On 000824 Eric Armstrong wrote a letter to the OHS/DKR group reporting
190560 - on a meeting with Doug Engelbart about the design and objectives of an
190561 - OHS/DKR. Eric reported that Doug proposed the SDS design, ref SDS 1
190562 - PU5N, which includes Summary/Objective that gives the record an action
190563 - orientation, shown by this record, ref SDS 0 0001, rather than a mere
190564 - reporting function, as Henry seems to suggest today. POIMS further
190565 - explains the importance of technology that integrates thinking and
190566 - doing. ref OF 3 2049 Eric's letter on 000824 was therefore cited as
190567 - one of three (3) Henry should consider in evaluating progress on
190568 - Doug's goals for a DKR in his 1992 paper. ref SDS 9 Y73P
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210505 - 17. Could Wikipedia made to attain objectives (zillions of them?)
210506 - in a cultivated manner, i.e. starting out with specifying
210507 - objectives? I supose it could but it might be more comfortable
210508 - for our minds to identify specialized CBPPs with narrower sets
210509 - of objectives (e.g. moving toward global civics). Also it
210510 - would be easier to put the "peer" back in, which, remember, I
210511 - left out a moment ago.
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210514 - On 050118 Henry asked about using simple, familiar words rather than
210515 - "communication" and "metrics" to summarize aspects of using SDS, as a
210516 - new management science. ref SDS 6 5E5O How do Communication Metrics,
210517 - precison access, and explicit links, compare to "wikipedia," "CBPP,"
210518 - and "purple numbers" for implementing a strategy using familiar words
210519 - to explain new ideas, reviewed on 050119? ref SDS 6 WH6G
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210522 - Henry concludes...
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210524 - 18. I could go on a bit about people being living CBPPs and examine
210525 - these in terms brought out in the paper by Krowne, notably the
210526 - balance between positive and negative contributions to our
210527 - minds. However, this requires deeper reflection than just
210528 - shooting off the lip.
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210531 - 19. Henry
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210537 - 20. On Sun, 2005-02-27 at 07:24, Jonathan Cheyer wrote:
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210539 - An interesting article, if you've been following the
210540 - various attacks on wikipedia of late:
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210542 - http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/free_issues/issue_02/fud_based_encyclopedia/
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210545 - 21. You can read McHenry's article that started the brouhaha at:
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210547 - http://www.techcentralstation.com/111504A.html
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210550 - 22. I'd be interested in hearing people's opinions about both
210551 - articles, what points you consider to be valid/invalid in each
210552 - article, what are important points that the collaborative
210553 - community would do well to pay close attention to, etc.
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210556 - 23. Jonathan
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210559 - 24. This message is archived at:
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210561 - http://collab.blueoxen.net/forums/cgi-bin/mesg.cgi?a=yak&i=1109516926.3743.53.camel@localhost.localdomain
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