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S U M M A R Y


DIARY: December 3, 2015 10:14 AM Thursday; Rod Welch

VA meeting Doctor Elicker Radiology clarify analysis CCTA on 151019.

1...Summary/Objective


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040501 - Follow up ref SDS 9 0000, ref SDS 5 0000.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
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040901 - Met Haine in Radiology Department on 2nd floor this morning.   He said                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
040902 - VA performed calcium scoring for CCTA on 151019 0930. ref SDS 6 TT6L                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
040904 -  ..
040905 - This was news, because the report issued by the VA says calcium                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
040906 - scoring was not performed. ref SDS 6 8Q6I                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
040908 -  ..
040909 - Asked to speak with a radiologist.  Haine said he would ask one of                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
040910 - the doctors on staff today, to come out for an ad hoc meeting.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
040912 -  ..
040913 - Met later with...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
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040915 -            Brett Elicker, MD                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
040916 -            Associate Professor                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
040917 -            UCSF School of Medicine                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
040918 -            Radiology                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
040919 -            505 Parnassus Ave, Moffitt                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
040920 -            San Francisco, CA  94143                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
040921 -            415 353 1958                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
040922 -            Brett.Elicker@ucsf.edu                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
040923 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
040924 -              http://profiles.ucsf.edu/brett.elicker                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
040926 -             ..
040927 -            Brett M Elicker, MD is an Associate Professor of Clinical                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
040928 -            Radiology and Chief of the Cardiac and Pulmonary Imaging                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
040929 -            Section at the University of California, San Francisco.  As                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
040930 -            the Chair of the Postgraduate Education Committee in the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
040931 -            Department of Radiology, he is committed to maintaining the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
040932 -            high quality of UCSF's educational offerings to practicing                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
040933 -            radiologists.  Dr Elicker earned his medical degree in 2000                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
040934 -            from New York Medical College, and completed a residency in                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
040935 -            Diagnostic Radiology at Yale New Haven Hospital,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
040936 -            Connecticut in 2005, followed by a fellowship in Thoracic                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
040937 -            Imaging from UCSF in 2006.  He came to UCSF in 2005 as a                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
040938 -            Clinical Fellow in Cardiac and Pulmonary Imaging and joined                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
040939 -            the faculty of Radiology and Biomedical Imaging in July                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
040940 -            2006                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
040942 -  ..
040943 - The doctor advised the calcium score for bypassed coronary arteries                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
040944 - determined from the CCTA performed at the VAMCSF on 151019, is 1360.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
040945 - This finding was omitted in the CCTA test report on 151019 0930.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
040946 - ref SDS 6 8Q6I                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
040948 -  ..
040949 - The radiology team did report on 151019, there is more calcium in the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
040950 - bypassed vessels than are evident from the prior CT scan, ref SDS 6                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
040951 - 074J, performed on 091102, ref SDS 2 4R8H, a few weeks after CABG +4                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
040952 - surgery on 091022.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
040954 -  ..
040955 - Asked Doctor Elicker what health risk occurs for calcium sore in                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
040956 - bypassed arteries?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
040958 -  ..
040959 - Doctor Elicker seemed to say that calcium plaque in bypassed blood                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
040960 - vessels presents no risk of any kind to patient longevity nor to                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
040961 - quality of life because all of the calcium and plaque found in the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
040962 - CCTA test on 151019, occur in the 4 bypassed blood vessels that are no                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
040963 - longer in the active circulatory system, i.e., they are inactive                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
040964 - having been bypassed with CABG procedure on 091022.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
040965 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
040966 -            [On 160104 0855 Doctor Jha, attending physician for this                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
040967 -            CCTA imaging study on 151019, advised that bypassed blood                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
040968 -            vessels for CABG surgery on 091022, now have substantial                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
040969 -            plaque, and this presents no health risk to the patient.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
040970 -            ref SDS 14 054G                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
040972 -  ..
040973 - Requested clarification that CCTA on 151019, yielded findings that                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
040974 - bypass grafts are patent. 151019 0930, ref SDS 6 JW8O                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
040976 -  ..
040977 - Doctor Elicker agreed the radiology report for the CCTA scan on                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
040978 - 151019, presents vague (sparse) findings and impressions.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
040980 -  ..
040981 - We reviewed patient history of CABG +4 on 091022. 091022 0700,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
040982 - ref SDS 1 PQWU  At that time, Progress Notes on the operation reported                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
040983 - 4 bypass grafts were performed, reported in the record a year later on                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
040984 - 100928 0706, ref SDS 3 HT9G, and they were all of "good quality,"                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
040985 - ref SDS 3 YI7K,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
040987 -  ..
040988 - Doctor Elicker noted that grafts using the saphenous vein from the leg                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
040989 - are most at risk, because it is less able to withstand high pressures                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
040990 - that occur closer to the heart, e.g., LIMA.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
040992 -  ..
040993 - He said there are no apparent lesions in the bypass grafts, which                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
040994 - establishes that the calcium score in the active cardiac circulatory                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
040995 - system is 0.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
040997 -  ..
040998 - We discussed research indicating coronary conditions of calcified                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
040999 - plaques present less risk of cardiac events requiring interventions,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041000 - e.g., CABG surgery, than do non-calcified and mixed plaques, and                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
041001 - further that calcified plaques take longer to form, reported in review                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041002 - on 151119 2141. ref SDS 8 D45X                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041004 -  ..
041005 - Doctor Elicker seemed to indicate today, that the VA Radiology                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
041006 - Department did not analyse plaque characteristics.  The CCTA scan file                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041007 - produced by the VA on 151019, does not have sufficient detail to                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
041008 - distinguish and quantify plaque characteristics.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
041010 -  ..
041011 - He went on to say, that even though the scan technology cannot                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
041012 - distinguish plaque characteristics, when he read the scan file, there                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041013 - was no evidence of blockages of any kind in any amount anywhere in the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041014 - active circulatory system which was covered by the scan.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
041015 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041016 -            [On 151217 2052 letter to Doctor Elicker requests the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041017 -            Radiology team file an addendum clarifying findings for                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
041018 -            CCTA on 151019, stating the test shows no evidence of                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
041019 -            blockages of any amount in the active circulatory system                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041020 -            covered by the scan. ref SDS 11 Y56G                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041022 -             ..
041023 -            [On 151223 0921 called Doctor Elicker; he recommended                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041024 -            asking the attending physician, Doctor Jha, to file an                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
041025 -            addendum clarifying the radiology report on 151019.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
041026 -            ref SDS 13 PE34                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
041028 -             ..
041029 -            [On 160104 0855 Doctor Jha, attending physician for this                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
041030 -            CCTA imaging study, advised that standard of practice for                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041031 -            radiology reporting is to present any and all blockages of                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041032 -            any kind observable in CCTA scan imaging; so, in this case,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041033 -            since none are reported, the CCTA test on 151019, can                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
041034 -            correctely be interpretted to mean there are no blockages,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041035 -            plaques, stenosis of any kind evident from the scan file                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041036 -            record. ref SDS 14 054G                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
041038 -             ..
041039 -            [On 160114 0022 letter commends Doctor Jha and faculty                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041040 -            colleagues at UCSF for good faith review to clarify CCTA on                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041041 -            151019, that demonstrates CCTA evaluating response to                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
041042 -            treatment (hiking 10K miles raising HDL 30 to 70) for                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
041043 -            regressing atherosclerosis to 0. ref SDS 16 N760                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
041045 -             ..
041046 -            [On 170428 1205 notified Doctors Jha and Elicker that on                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
041047 -            170414, Doctor Simpson discussed CCTA performed on 151019,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041048 -            with "Radiology" and wrote addendum to Progress Notes                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
041049 -            saying unnamed people said "...the technique cannot rule                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041050 -            out atherosclerosis, but can detect significant stenoses of                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041051 -            = or > 50% vessel diameter". ref SDS 17 8H5G  Research                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
041052 -            found CT "technique" is limited, as noted in Doctor                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
041053 -            Simpson's addendum, ref SDS 17 Z89  This has no evident                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
041054 -            climical relevance to Doctor Jha's addendum reporting CCTA                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041055 -            on 151019 found no significant plaque, since that finding                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041056 -            was not based on CCTA automatic calculating technique,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
041057 -            which is limited, but on direct examination of CT scans,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041058 -            reported by Doctor Elicker on 151203 1014, ref SDS 10 SZ5F,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
041059 -            and by Doctor Jha on 160104 0855. ref SDS 15 SU3M                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
041061 -  ..
041062 - This seems a significantly more important finding than a mere calcium                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041063 - score.  It appears that on the date of the CCTA scan test, 151019, the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041064 - patient was clear of any arterosclerosis thoroughout the coronary                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
041065 - area, at least to the extent that can be identified with CCTA testing.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041067 -  ..
041068 - During the meeting with Doctor Simpson in Cardiology on 151028, the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041069 - doctor explained that limitations of CCTA testing augurs for caution                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041070 - relying on test results for guiding line of care for atherosclerosis.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041071 - ref SDS 7 J69I                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
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