THE WELCH COMPANY
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S U M M A R Y
DIARY: November 12, 2008 02:32 PM Wednesday;
Rod Welch
Millie letter to Sonia at N&P explains dispute with Kaiser on payment for care.
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0404 - Summary/Objective
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040501 - Follow up ref SDS 16 0000.
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0408 - Progress
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040901 - This morning Glenna called and advised that UCSF has not received
040902 - authorization for Millie's treatment, contrary to representations on
040903 - 081103 that Kaiser has submitted the authorization. ref SDS 16 ZX8F
040905 - ..
040906 - Called and talked to Sonia at N&P. ref SDS 16 4P8E
040908 - ..
040909 - Millie received a letter from Sonia with initial ideas on supporting
040910 - entitlement to Kaiser's support for treatment on referral to UCSF.
040911 - ref SDS 16 XL4K
040913 - ..
040914 - Millie submitted a letter summarizing background to assist Sonia
040915 - finding support targeted to issues in dispute...
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040917 - 1. Subject: Kaiser Referral Clinical Trials for Medicare Patient
040918 - Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:41:01 -0800
040925 - ..
040926 - 3. Thanks for taking time to talk to Rod this morning [reported in
040927 - another record today on 081112, ref SDS 16 4P8E, and confirmed
040928 - in Sonia's letter also received today on 081112, ref SDS 16
040929 - XL4K]. My minds in whirl with everything happening all at
040930 - once. You asked Rod for background on my situation...
040932 - ..
040933 - 4. Briefly, [on 070105] my doctor at Kaiser referred me to UCSF
040934 - for treatment in a clinical trial, ref SDS 2 PK68, [and citing
040935 - agreement between Kaiser and UCSF on 061230 for Kaiser to pay
040936 - for all costs not paid by the clinical study, ref SDS 1 3X6K],
040937 - which began Feb 1, 2007. ref SDS 3 0001
040939 - ..
040940 - About 6 months later, I began getting bills from UCSF [shown on
040941 - 070823, ref SDS 4 X16N], who claimed Kaiser refused payment on
040942 - the grounds that Medicare patients must "self-refer" for
040943 - treatment in clinical trials [reported from meeting at UCSF on
040944 - 070830, ref SDS 5 IR4F]. I disputed this [shown in analysis on
040945 - 070927, ref SDS 6 WU6M]. You helped investigate the issue at
040946 - that time [e.g., on 071022, ref SDS 7 3P4L, and telecon on
040947 - 071024. ref SDS 8 HE96]. On Nov 30, 2007, Kaiser issued a
040948 - determination by the Regional Appeals Committee that Kaiser
040949 - would honor the doctor's referral [reported on 071128,
040950 - ref SDS 9 TH8L]. They have paid the bills up until now.
040952 - ..
040953 - 5. During a meeting at Kaiser on Aug 29, 2008, my doctor
040954 - determined cancer was progressing, ref SDS 10 RP8T, and advised
040955 - me to have UCSF prescribe another treatment, because he was
040956 - unable to provide effective care (we have gone through all the
040957 - standard treatments) and he would authorize continuing payment
040958 - as for the prior regimen. ref SDS 10 RP9R
040960 - ..
040961 - 6. On October 16th Doctor Rugo at UCSF implemented Kaiser's
040962 - referral and prescribed treatment for me with sunitinib
040963 - clinical trial, ref SDS 11 J38U, scheduled to begin tomorrow on
040964 - Nov 13th. UCSF and Kaiser collaborated on the referral, with
040965 - Kaiser performing tests this past week required for me to begin
040966 - treatment. [see Millie's letter to the medical team on 081111.
040967 - ref SDS 15 WP8G]
040969 - ..
040970 - 7. On Monday UCSF called and advised that my doctor at Kaiser
040971 - signed authorization for my care at UCSF. [reported on 081031,
040972 - ref SDS 13 5C7J, confirmed by UCSF letter. ref SDS 14 458L]
040974 - ..
040975 - 8. This morning, UCSF called back and said Kaiser has refused to
040976 - submit the authorization issued by my doctor. ref SDS 16 ZX8F
040977 - Since I have been without treatment for nearly a month, and
040978 - cancer is spreading, timely treatment is essential. [Millie's
040979 - last treatment for cancer was on 081023. ref SDS 12 V94O]
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040982 - 9. Rod called and talked to Paula McPhail [...reported today in
040983 - another on 081112, ref SDS 16 PQ35], the case manager who
040984 - issued Kaiser's letter on Nov 30, 2007 that approved payment
040985 - for the prior treatment on clinical trial.
040987 - ..
040988 - 10. Paula referred us to a Kaiser unit for "Expedited Claims" (888
040989 - 987 7247), located in Oakland. Paula indicated that if Kaiser
040990 - denies relief under the expedited procedure, the matter will
040991 - automatically be sent to her office for further review. She
040992 - would not necessarily be assigned this second claim.
040993 - ref SDS 16 FR3N]
040995 - ..
040996 - 11. Rod called Kaiser Expedited Claims and got the ball rolling.
040997 - Expect to hear back later today. ref SDS 16 4Q7B
040998 -
040999 - [...in another record earlier today on 081112, Expedited
041000 - Claims denied relief for Millie's from Kaiser's failure to
041001 - perform the doctor's order issued on 081103 for Millie's
041002 - treatment at UCSF, and refused to carry out the doctor's
041003 - authorization for payment of Millie's treatment for cancer.
041004 - ref SDS 16 P28U
041006 - ..
041007 - [...in another record earlier today on 081112, Expedited
041008 - Claims Department advised that Kaiser must implement the
041009 - doctor's order for treatment. ref SDS 16 PR35
041011 - ..
041012 - [...in another record later today on 081112, Millie
041013 - received a letter from Sonia asking about results of
041014 - Expedited Claims review. ref SDS 17 IJ9F
041016 - ..
041017 - 12. The case boils down to Kaiser's duty to provide care [called
041018 - out in EOC section 2, reviewed on 070927, ref SDS 6 WS6M, see
041019 - as well Kaiser's pattern and practice using clinical trials for
041020 - primary care treatment, ref SDS 6 EY8J], and whether they can
041021 - avoid the cost of care by referring the patient to a clinical
041022 - trial, then claim the patient "self-referred" [see theories of
041023 - recovery on 070927, ref SDS 6 WU6M].
041025 - ..
041026 - 13. I expected there would be a lot of lawyers familiar with this
041027 - issue. It turns I can't find anyone. That may reflect the
041028 - fact that the law has not changed for about 10 years. Kaiser
041029 - always before paid for referrals. Only in the past 2 years did
041030 - they come up with the Medicare "self-referral" approach.
041032 - ..
041033 - 14. Sorry for such a long winded explanation. Background on Sep
041034 - 27, 2007 for the prior claim lists specific issues with
041035 - citations to statutes and Kaiser "Evidence of Coverage"
041036 - language. ref SDS 6 8G5N
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041039 - 15. I appreciate very much your time, and understand if you cannot
041040 - help.
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