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S U M M A R Y


DIARY: June 18, 1999 10:36 AM Friday; Rod Welch

Called Netscape on using HTML and print preview.

1...Summary/Objective
2...NSF Proposal - Summary Proposal Budget - Part 11
3...Table does not display consistently by browser and Print Preview
.....Pixels Netscape says 72 Per Inch; Conflicts with Record
.....Monitor Display Settings
.....72 Pixels to Inch
.....Cells Have to be Deducted from Total Table Pixels
.....Solution - Use Internet Explorer
4...Table Command Examples
5...Table Commands, HTML Programming Resources, Instructions
6...W3C HTML Commands and Procedures Specifications


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CONTACTS 
0201 - World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)      617 253 2613
020101 - Mr. Dave Raggett
020102 - +44 122 578 2984/2521) +44 385 320 444 (gsm mobile)
020103 - Style Sheet Development
0202 - Netscape Communications              650 937 2555
020201 - Mr. John Algeo; Supervisor
020202 - Technical Support =800 411 0707
020203 - Description

SUBJECTS
Technical Proposal
Netscape not Displaying Summary Budget
Table Not Displayed Correctly, Incident 156526
Table command, Pixels
HTML Code Programming Using W3C Stantards
XML Tools Web Pages AI Use Software Email for Collaboration Ontology
2 Groups Content v Appearance Binary Forces in Programming Text Effec
W3C Standards for HTML Software Email for Collaboration Ontology
HTML Standards W3C for Coding Web Pages

1511 -    ..
1512 - Summary/Objective
1513 -
151301 - Follow up ref SDS 28 1825, ref SDS 22 4785
151302 -
151303 - Called and got minimal help from Netscape on difficulty creating the
151304 - budget form for the NSF proposal.  Got a reference to a site with
151305 - some examples.
151306 -
151307 - Made list of examples using HTML Table command. ref SDS 0 2166
151308 -
151309 - Researched site for HTML support, and sent letter requesting
151310 - assistance. ref SDS 0 3551
151311 -
151312 -
151313 -
151314 -
1514 -
1515 -
1516 - Problem
1517 -
151701 -  ..
151702 - NSF Proposal - Summary Proposal Budget - Part 11
151703 - Table does not display consistently by browser and Print Preview
151704 -
151705 - Follow up ref SDS 28 0866.
151706 -
151707 - Summary Proposal Budget - Part 11, ref OF 1
151708 -
151709 - Called Netscape to fix problem encountered on 990615. ref SDS 28 0866
151710 -
151711 - Costs $29 paid by credit card for incident, and get 96 hours of follow
151712 - up per incident.
151713 -
151714 - Paid by MBNA credit card using telephone keypad.
151715 -
151716 -  ..
151717 - Talked to Cory Neff.
151718 -
151719 - Received incident number....    156526
151720 -
151721 -     Netscape has a webpage for help...
151722 -
151723 -                    help.netscape.com/retail
151724 -
151725 - Cory refused to provide information on why Netscape Browser and Print
151726 - Preview fail to display files consistently.  He seemed to explain that
151727 - Netscape's help policy is not to help customers solve problems caused
151728 - by defective performance of Netscape, nor to investigate product
151729 - defects.
151730 -
151731 -      ..
151732 -     Pixels Netscape says 72 Per Inch; Conflicts with Record
151733 -
151734 -     I asked how many pixels to the inch, since NSF's budget form is
151735 -     using 720, and this is not working well, as reported on 990615.
151736 -     ref SDS 28 2544
151737 -
151738 -     Cory said there are 72 pixels to the inch.
151739 -
151740 -     I asked for the source of that figure?
151741 -
151742 -     Cory said it is common knowledge.
151743 -
151744 -         I did not discuss this further; however, experience on 990615
151745 -         seems to show 120 pixels per inch. ref SDS 28 2544
151746 - ..
151747 - Cory suggested getting help for HTML by contacting...
151748 -
151749 -         www.developers.com
151750 -         www.iktomi.com
151751 -
151752 -     Below, I contacted these sites. ref SDS 0 9047
151753 -
151754 -
151755 -  ..
151756 - Asked to talk to the supervisor.
151757 -
151758 - Talked to John Algeo.
151759 -
151760 - John was very helpful.
151761 -
151762 -     He suggested following additional resources for HTML support...
151763 -
151764 -        www.hwg.org
151765 -        www.w3c.org
151766 -
151767 -     Below, I contacted these sites. ref SDS 0 9047
151768 -
151769 -
151770 -      ..
151771 -     Monitor Display Settings
151772 -
151773 -     He wants to know the monitor display settings.
151774 -
151775 -         1024 x 768
151776 -
151777 -     John seemed to indicate that is the same setting he uses.
151778 -
151779 -     He initially commented that monitor settings impact how Netscape
151780 -     Print Preview functions; but, when I asked for an explanation, he
151781 -     said he does not really understand how this factor impacts our
151782 -     problem.
151783 -
151784 -
151785 -      ..
151786 -     72 Pixels to Inch
151787 -     Cells Have to be Deducted from Total Table Pixels
151788 -
151789 -     John confirmed Cory's point that there are 72 pixels to the inch.
151790 -
151791 -     If we use 720 pixels this would be a 10" wide
151792 -
151793 -         I did not discuss this further; however, experience on 990615
151794 -         seems to show 120 pixels per inch. ref SDS 28 2544
151795 -
151796 -     John pointed out that we have to deduct the width of the cell
151797 -     borders from the total to be distributed.
151798 -
151799 -        Does this mean we have to assign more than 100% of the space
151800 -        inorder for cells to line up?
151801 -
151802 -  ..
151803 -
151804 -     Solution - Use Internet Explorer
151805 -
151806 -     After talking to John, it turned out that IE displayed and printed
151807 -     the form better than Netscape, using 890 pixels and nested rows,
151808 -     as shown on 990615. ref SDS 28 2544
151809 -
151810 -     See research below on using HTML for tables. ref SDS 0 3551
151811 -
151812 -
151813 -
151814 -
151815 -  ..
151816 - Table Command Examples
151817 -
151818 - Follow up ref SDS 11 8472.
151819 -
151820 - Here are more examples creating tables using HTML for NSF forms, from
151821 - work on 990615.
151822 -
151823 -    1.  Certification. ref SDS 28 0896
151824 -
151825 -    2.  Principal Investigator. ref SDS 28 1556
151826 -
151827 -    3.  Table of Contents. ref SDS 28 1825
151828 -
151829 -    4.  Summary Budget. ref SDS 28 4620
151830 -
151831 -
151832 -  ..
1519 -
1520 -
1521 - 2205
1522 -
152201 - Table Commands, HTML Programming Resources, Instructions
152202 -
152203 - This evening I found the web sites suggested by Cory...
152204 -
152205 -         http://www.developers.com
152206 -
152207 -         http://www.iktomi.com
152208 -
152209 -      Was not able to get anything helpful from these sites, but may
152210 -      not have reviewed them correctly.
152211 -
152212 - ...and by John. ref SDS 0 6630
152213 -
152214 -        www.hwg.org
152215 -            ..
152216 -            Checked this resource, it did not seem to have
152217 -            specific help for tables.
152218 -
152219 -
152220 -
152221 -
1523 -

SUBJECTS
HTML Procedures, Commands W3C Specifications
W3C HTML Procedures Specifications
Table Commands
HTML Standards W3C for Coding Web Pages
HTML Procedures for Coding Standards W3C for Coding Web Pages

2008 -
200801 -  ..
200802 - W3C HTML Commands and Procedures Specifications
200803 -
200804 - Found the following location...
200805 -
200806 -        http://www.w3c.org
200807 -
200808 -        HTML 4.0 Standards - Dave Raggett
200809 -
200810 -          This site has a lot of help for tables.
200811 -
200812 -          http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/tables.html
200813 -
200814 -          I downloaded and saved it. ref OF 3.
200815 -
200816 -          This is part of the following HTML document...
200817 -
200818 -                      HTML 4.0 Specification
200819 -
200820 -          http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/cover.html#toc
200821 -
200822 -
200823 -     [On 991231 there seems to be a different spec. ref SDS 32 5P5N
200824 -
200825 -
200826 -  ..
200827 - Width and Size of Tables - Pixels
200828 -
200829 - On 991231 the following site, has new information for HTML 4.1
200830 -
200831 -
200832 -          http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/appendix/notes.html#recs
200833 -
200834 -
200835 -  ..
200836 - Found an email address for
200837 -
200838 -              Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org>
200839 -              http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett
200840 -              phone: +44 122 578 2984 (or 2521)
200841 -              +44 385 320 444 (gsm mobile)
200842 -              World Wide Web Consortium (on assignment from HP Labs)
200843 -
200844 - Dave's has a web page that explains he is developing style sheets for
200845 - HTML.
200846 -
200847 -               http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett
200848 -
200849 -  ..
200850 -
200851 - Sent letter, ref DIT 1, asking asking for help with HTML to create the
200852 - NSF budget form from work on 990615.
200853 -
200854 -      1.  Pixels, how many to the inch. ref DIT 1 3174
200855 -
200856 -      2.  Another way to accomplish spacer command in IE that creates
200857 -          "white" space in Netscape. ref DIT 1 2646
200858 -
200859 -      3.  Nested rows for a complex table. ref DIT 1 2052
200860 -
200861 -   [On 990621 received response with ideas from Dave. ref SDS 31 9630]
200862 -
200863 -
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