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Memorandum

Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:18:18 -0700

From:   spohrer@almaden.ibm.com

To:     Andy Poggio
Andy.Poggio@eng.sun.com

Subject:   Reaction to Billington on digital vs paper books

There is a lot to say in this debate, but just a couple of thoughts...

  1. Bad assumption to assume scrolling will be the user experience for electronic books of the future.

  2. I remember when people said CDROMS would not eliminate "vinyl records." While some people love "vinyl records" and hence they may "never go away" -- I haven't touched a vinyl record in over four years, and I clearly remember the last time I did -- it was four years ago when I boxed mine up and put them in long term storage. (I know some people love them, but what's the user experience of listening to a vinyl record in a car? tape deck? so multiple media for different kinds of places?)

  3. Which paper books will go away first? Which will go away last? I suspect the ones that go away first are the one's that benefit the most from frequent update/refresh of information as well as hyperlinking to related information resources. Which paper books will go away last? I suspect romance novels and other types of pulp fiction, since they do not benefit from being "connected" to other knowledge as much as textbooks and guidebooks, etc.

  4. All this said, I could fill up 10 pages with all the advantages of paper books over electronic books (for the short term). It does make me sad to think of some of the things we'll lose when the scales tip to the electronic side (when I look through some old books my grandmother gave me, there are flowers clipped from her garden over twenty years ago pressed between the pages), but the scales will tip and there will be wonderful new advantages to mitigate the lose.

Sincerely,

User Systems Ergonomics Research


Jim Spohrer, Ph.D.
spohrer@almaden.ibm.com


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Andy Poggio on 04/19/2000 12:33:51 PM

Please respond to Andy Poggio

To:     altintdev@webtv.net, jjdeneen@ricochet.net

Subject:  
Re:   20 Apr and 27 Apr Agendas

bet some people said the same thing about stone tablets to
when he talked about printing the Bible and other books.
stone tablets do "inspire a certain presumption of
in me; books typically do not.)

For an institution like the Library of Congress, I believe their primary goals should be preservation and access. Digitizing serves both goals well. Once in digital form, further perfect copies are possible indefinitely. As for access, books require physical proximity -- something the vast majority of the country lacks when it comes to the Library of Congress. Digital info is increasingly location-independent.

To Billington I would say: "You don't want to be one of those mindless Luddites who assume that because something is old, it is good. Reverence comes from the content, not the medium."

Sincerely,

--andy

Andy Poggio
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Memorandum

Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:50:43 -0700

From:   John J. Deneen, jjdeneen@ricochet.net
X-Accept-Language: en

To:     Alternative Interface

Subject:  
Re:   20 Apr and 27 Apr Agendas

7bit

Library of Congress Will Not Digitize Books????

Billington elaborated on why the Library will not put books online during the question and answer session. "The rationale is two fold. We have so much special format material that nobody has seen that it is more important to get those out." He added that the Library is more concerned with "rare pamphlets" than "full books".

"Secondly, behind this ... is an implicit belief [that books] are not going to be replaced, and should not be replaced."

"There is a difference between turning pages and scrolling down," he said. "There is something about a book that should inspire a certain presumption of reverence."

"We should be very hesitant ... that you are going to get everything you want electronically."

"You don't want to be one of those mindless futurists," said Billington, "who sit in front of a lonely screen."

"It is isolating. It is a lonely thing." In contrast, "libraries are places, a community thing."

"It is dangerous to promote the illusion that you can get anything you want by sitting in front of a computer screen." He described this as "arrogance" and "hubris".

He added that while electronic books may succeed commercially, they are "seductive."

http://www.techlawjournal.com/educ/20000415.htm


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